Tribe.net. Local Connections patasapien http://semiotica.tribe.net/thread/71c4f1f0-eadb-45df-a170-4bed7d41fc96 2006-06-11T08:51:54Z 2006-05-04T04:37:30Z

<div>Hi, I’m new here(on Tribe as well as this forum), I tried looking for a tribe on visual art (Art) and semiotics…I found nothing. <br/> <br/>Can anyone tell me if there is such a thing somewhere here on tribe? <br/> <br/>Regards, <br/> <br/>Isaac</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://semiotica.tribe.net">Semiotica</a> - 6 replies </div>

patasapien 2006-05-04T04:37:30Z Sarah http://semiotica.tribe.net/thread/f64f9bb3-f603-4d15-8cd6-bb489eceb06c 2005-11-19T23:18:34Z 2004-01-04T04:00:01Z

<div>What is the best introduction to semiotics that is available? <br/> <br/>A restatement of the question... <br/> <br/>If you were going to recommend one book to a beginner to get a solid, basic understanding of semiotics, what book would you recommend? <br/> <br/>Thanks.</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://semiotica.tribe.net">Semiotica</a> - 6 replies </div>

Sarah 2004-01-04T04:00:01Z geckooooo http://semiotica.tribe.net/thread/54db7109-bb25-4d18-b44e-aa6e3ba614eb 2005-04-21T23:26:35Z 2005-04-21T23:26:35Z

<div>Anyone read any of his books? I'm about 2/3 through "The Message in the Bottle," and I think it's great. He's got a way of articulating what he loves and struggles with in semiotics with a novelist's lucidity. <br/> <br/>G</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://semiotica.tribe.net">Semiotica</a> - 0 replies </div>

geckooooo 2005-04-21T23:26:35Z geckooooo http://semiotica.tribe.net/thread/3f420042-3351-41d2-aba0-e0f6985fbfe0 2005-04-02T14:46:07Z 2003-12-08T07:23:41Z

<div>I read this article about fractals in this week's Economist. Most of you know that I see an intimate relationship between fractals and semiotics. This article doesn't go into that directly, but it's interesting how Mandelbrot shows that the basic idea of fractals has been around for centuries, and show ups in things like old paintings and Celtic art, not to mention in the architecture Gaudi's cathedral in Spain and Jackson Pollock's art. <br/> <br/>Also of interest is how Mandelbrot's research into fractals benefitted from IBM Research's unfettered approach. His worries about 'guilds' of research subjects mirrors Peirce's holistic approach towards semiotics as the universal way of representing and logically relating all kinds of knowledge... art, math, science, ethics or anything else. <br/> <br/>The article: http://www.economist.com/printedition/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=2246127 <br/>(Unfortunately, you have to subscribe to the Economist to read it.)</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://semiotica.tribe.net">Semiotica</a> - 7 replies </div>

geckooooo 2003-12-08T07:23:41Z ionamiller http://semiotica.tribe.net/thread/aabb4eb6-c906-4ef1-a5c4-c7303bed39e4 2005-02-18T23:56:40Z 2005-02-18T23:56:40Z

<div>http://www.argonautnewspaper.com/articles/2005/02/03/entertainment/wo1.txt <br/> <br/> <br/>Iona's friend Archivist Bob Dobbs talks McLuhan theory at Bergamot Station in Santa Monica <br/> <br/>BY RAHNE PISTOR <br/> <br/>Media analyst/cultural theorist Marshall McLuhan believed that artists need to integrate, analyze and utilize rapid changes in technology, in order to truly have a mass impact on people in the modern age. <br/> <br/>Now, Bob Dobbs, McLuhan's archivist who chronologized and sorted McLuhan's writings after his death, is scheduled to give a talk and discussion about McLuhan's theories on art and media, at 7:30 p.m. Wednesday, February 9th, at Bergamot Books, 2525 Michigan Ave., Santa Monica. Admission is free. <br/> <br/>Dobbs will focus on recent releases by Gingko Press of McLuhan's Understanding Media and Through the Vanishing Point. <br/> <br/>"McLuhan thought of a better way to deal with art in the relation to its commodification." says Dobbs. <br/> <br/> <br/>"In Renaissance times, it was the scientist versus the humanist. The scientist would invent and the humanist or artist would write or create, dealing with the side effects of the invention." <br/> <br/>McLuhan felt that, for the most part, traditional art was no longer serving this purpose. <br/> <br/>"McLuhan believed that electronic environments were molding people on a scale that was greater than any artwork, and that, therefore, artists should embrace the technologies of the future," says Dobbs. <br/> <br/>McLuhan's oft-cited example of his theory in practice was James Joyce's Finnegans Wake, a book Dobbs says mirrors the media environment of radio, which was dominant in the 1930s. The book was finished in 1939. <br/> <br/>McLuhan's theory on media was divided between old "analog media" (newspapers, radio, TV) and forms of digital media that were in early stages of development in the 1960s and 1970s, and now are common in the home computer age. <br/> <br/>McLuhan, understanding information overload and short attention spans, would often express his philosophy in catch phrases and sound bite quotes. <br/> <br/>His catch phrase for old media was that the "medium is the message." <br/> <br/>"By this, he meant that in mass media environments, people are molded not only by the content but by a sensory bias specific to the medium," says Dobbs. <br/> <br/>For digital media, he adopted a different adage, that the "user is the content." <br/> <br/>"Once VCRs, and eventually computers, became readily available, it gave more control to the user," says Dobbs. "Now you can control the time that information is fed to you. <br/> <br/>"With PCs and workstations and the internet, people are able to interact and have more of a choice. The user can mold and manipulate the content." <br/> <br/>"Generation X is still somewhat in the clutches of old media. Generation Y, the younger generation, however, laughs at the old mass media. That's why Jon Stewart (host of the Daily Show, a news spoof television program) is more powerful than Dan Rather," says Dobbs. <br/> <br/>"Now the flip side is that sometimes with digital media the user tends to think he's in control, when he's really being fed information in the same form of old media." <br/> <br/>In November and December 1981, after McLuhan's death, Dobbs sifted through decades of McLuhan's letters, essays, manuscripts and notes, making chronological sense out of the materials. <br/> <br/>"I had known McLuhan for years," says Dobbs. "His family knew I knew him. "I knew the history of his work. So I was asked to organize McLuhan's 'garbage', so to speak â&amp;#8364;&#8221; all of the filing cabinets and boxes that were in his house." <br/> <br/>The results of Dobbs' work now rest with the National Archives in Ottawa, as McLuhan was Canadian. <br/> <br/>McLuhan's heyday of popularity was in the 1960s, starting with the release of Understanding Media in 1964, and reaching its peak in the late 1960s. <br/> <br/>"His ideas were kind of a youth culture fad at that point," says Dobbs. "He also went through a period in the 1970s where it was not cool to like him." <br/> <br/>Dobbs considers McLuhan's best protÃ&amp;#710;gÃ&amp;#710;s to be futurist authors Charles Reich, Alvin Toffler and John Naisbitt. <br/> <br/>But Dobbs suggests that perhaps today's information age is not ripe for theorists like McLuhan to be viewed as leaders or idolized in popular culture. <br/> <br/>"These days there seems to be no need for gurus speaking for society," says Dobbs. "Society is so fragmented by digital media and full of micro-gurus, all reaching their small enclaves." <br/> <br/>"The closest equivalent that I can think of to the sort of gurus with mass reach that there used to be would be Wired magazine, where the magazine itself has become the guru," says Dobbs. <br/></div> <div> posted in <a href="http://semiotica.tribe.net">Semiotica</a> - 0 replies </div>

ionamiller 2005-02-18T23:56:40Z geckooooo http://semiotica.tribe.net/thread/69bbbf53-9fcf-44e3-b337-d50ec15dfe45 2004-10-19T00:08:47Z 2003-12-04T19:51:30Z

<div>Not many people really get semiotics, and that is unfortunate. It's a beautifully simple and elegant philosophy. But I think one of the big problems holding back comprehension is all the bickering about terminology. Charles Peirce was notoriously bad about this, inventing cumbersome new words constantly and using them inconsistently. The problem continues to persist to this day. People get lost in all the "rheme" and "dicent" gibberish, and miss out on the fundamental strength and beauty of semiotics. <br/> <br/>Computational semiotics lets us put all this aside, in the same way that building a machine ends all argument about what the machine is and what it's good for. A piece of software is always a formal logical construct of some kind, and the source code describes it precisely. So a big interest of mine is to apply semiotics to software engineering. <br/> <br/>In this light, the problem becomes: What do you need to know in order to build a software implementation of semiotic knowledge representation? This is something that some very bright bulbs are working on, and I have my own ideas that I'd like to get into later. <br/> <br/>But for now, if you are interested and want to get introduced to this world, I have to recommend a fantastic book by John Sowa called "Knowledge Representation: Logical, Philosophical, and Computational Foundations." Sowa is an excellent encyclopedist of the development of formal logic and semiotics, and his book presents it all in a very non-scary, approachable way. It's intellectually stimulating without being tedious or jargon-laden. Very cool book. <br/> <br/>Details here: <br/> <br/>http://www.jfsowa.com/krbook/ <br/> <br/>Gecko</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://semiotica.tribe.net">Semiotica</a> - 11 replies </div>

geckooooo 2003-12-04T19:51:30Z MarkPLine http://semiotica.tribe.net/thread/6b35b18b-42b2-42ac-811f-8a002618e5a3 2004-10-18T22:07:58Z 2004-09-22T18:17:40Z

<div>Here's something to chew on: <br/> <br/> http://www.polymathix.com/papers/ThinkingSigns.html <br/> <br/>Just an early draft, but comments are welcome. Please be warned, though -- I've rolled back my thinking to before the time Roger Bacon decided that causal signs aren't really signs, so you might not recognize your favorite theoretician's distinctions in this work.</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://semiotica.tribe.net">Semiotica</a> - 3 replies </div>

MarkPLine 2004-09-22T18:17:40Z lovinlife http://semiotica.tribe.net/thread/12f95eae-8abc-434e-8b70-085eecb3a1a4 2004-09-17T22:11:49Z 2004-07-11T20:22:34Z

<div>Hi, <br/> <br/>I'm trying to understand how semiotics relates to evolutionary theory. I have a pretty good non-technical understanding of semitocs (American and European) and am becoming familiar with genetics and evolution (reading Gould's "Structure of Evolutionary Theory" now) and don't claim anything more than a conversational understanding of any of these. However, I'm curious about any studies that link semiosis with evolution (speculation, theory, empirical). <br/> <br/>From what I recall, the pragmatists studied Darwinian evolution, creating their projects very much in light of it. But I haven't come across anything from reading Dewey and Peirce or from contemporary writings that specifically addresses the connections between these two theories. <br/> <br/>Driving this question are my interests that lie in articulating useful connections between patterns (Alexander's Pattern Language) and Permaculture patterns. Again, I have only introductory undertanding of these as well, but appreciate all options in exploring the connections among (the most practical and contemporary) works between semiotics and evolutionary theory with this interest in mind.</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://semiotica.tribe.net">Semiotica</a> - 11 replies </div>

lovinlife 2004-07-11T20:22:34Z angelina http://semiotica.tribe.net/thread/070c8ea4-021f-4b15-b2dc-9befafbaa2cb 2004-07-13T06:02:19Z 2004-01-04T20:52:09Z

<div>a great read for beginers and the well-read alike. it is long but printable or orderable in bound form from the web site. my one and only comprehensive reference on the subject. enjoy: <br/> <br/>http://www.aber.ac.uk/media/Documents/S4B/semiotic.html</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://semiotica.tribe.net">Semiotica</a> - 4 replies </div>

angelina 2004-01-04T20:52:09Z orangeboxman http://semiotica.tribe.net/thread/c4629940-6ae9-4214-a2b1-632a08bac1a6 2003-12-11T19:58:09Z 2003-12-08T16:40:25Z

<div>I'm involved in what is probably a lifelong process of debunking Schenkerian analysis, at least as it has been promulgated. <br/> <br/>Anyone have any tips?</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://semiotica.tribe.net">Semiotica</a> - 6 replies </div>

orangeboxman 2003-12-08T16:40:25Z staze http://semiotica.tribe.net/thread/c658eb66-a05d-4b3c-abd3-85da4975eb5e 2003-12-07T04:58:35Z 2003-12-07T04:58:35Z

<div>Complements of a kuro5hin blurb: http://www.ahram-eg.com/weekly/2003/665/bo3.htm</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://semiotica.tribe.net">Semiotica</a> - 0 replies </div>

staze 2003-12-07T04:58:35Z geckooooo http://semiotica.tribe.net/thread/0112b408-1dfc-4b24-8452-e9709f3c8fdd 2003-12-01T21:41:00Z 2003-11-29T23:01:25Z

<div>Should we invite any of the computational semotics folks? I think this would be a great forum for us to interact with them. But not sure how they would like Tribe...</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://semiotica.tribe.net">Semiotica</a> - 2 replies </div>

geckooooo 2003-11-29T23:01:25Z